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West Virginia Rural Health Education Partnerships/

Area Health Education Centers

 

Medical School Subcommittee Minutes

 

Monday, September 14, 2009

Conference Call

 

 

 

 


In Attendance:  Carla See, Norman D. Ferrari III, Nancy Nedrow, Carla Campbell, Malinda Turner, Kathleen Bors, Sarah Miller, JoAnn Raines, Amber Crist, Amy Holbrook

 

Staff:  Jodie Jackson, Rose McCluskey, April Vestal, Jacki Novacich

 

 

 

 

The meeting began with Norman Ferrari stating that WVU School of medicine is experiencing issues scheduling 3rd year family medicine rural rotations.  It was feared that this would happen with the increase in student numbers.  Another challenge is that schools are requiring their students to do their family medicine rotations in July and August, causing preceptor availability in those months to decrease.

 

The question was raised if it is primarily an issue during July and August.  Kathleen Bors stated that WVU-Charleston Division has experienced some issues outside of those months.

 

Data was presented to the subcommittee by Jodie Jackson and Rose McCluskey showing numerous denials of rotations after April 30.  Kathleen Bors clarified that WVU-Charleston and WVU-Morgantown Campus are all following the April 1 guideline of requests for rotations.  In discussing with the subcommittee, it was indicated that there were a crunch for spots, which resulted in students' first and second requests being denied, but occurring much later when students were to begin rotations within a short time period after the discovery.  This caused a panic resulting in the school scheduler calling, e-mailing and placing many requests in TRACKER to find placements for these students. 

 

Jodie Jackson stated that this was not the impression she received from the data and following discussions with Site Coordinators.  She said sometimes students are listed more than once for different locations and she did not remove those students from the data analysis.  According to the data, there were quite a few rotation requests added after April 30.

Looking at all the rotations and when they were added, they were overwhelmingly dominated by WVSOM in the early part.  WVSOM sometimes request rotations well in advance.  One example of this was discovered when Jodie called Northern WV Rural Health Education Center (NWVRHEC) Region 1 to inquire about numerous denials.  It was discovered that the consortium fills rotations as the requests come into the consortium.

 

It was decided that there is a need to reinforce the April 1 deadline, and not to fill rotation slots until all requests are entered.  The exception to this is for disciplines that do not share preceptors with Medicine (e.g. Pharmacy, Dentistry, and Nursing) and the requests are for a May or June rotation.  April Vestal will reinforce this to the Site Coordinators, and their staff. 

 

Some concern was still present that this issue is related to having too many students and not enough preceptors.  Malinda Turner, Coordinator for Eastern WV Rural Health Consortium, stated that the data is good, but too many things factor into a denial of a requested rotation.  A denial simply means you denied a rotation, and it might be due to duplicate rotations, for example.  A school may have placed a request for a student 2 or 3 times for the same block for multiple consortia.  Whichever consortia approved the rotation would mean the others would have to deny the rotation.  Malinda stated that she does not wait for a school to delete the student, she will deny the request, and place a comment  indicating such in the comment section.  It was suggested that Coordinators need to make sure they make the comment on why a rotation request was denied, so we are not assuming it is due to lack of housing or preceptors.  Jodie agreed that there were many factors in rotation denials, and that the data shared only shows one small piece.   We cannot tell without looking at comments why it was denied. 

 

Norman Ferrari asked if it was felt that this was not really a problem that should be addressed.   Jodie said that there would need to be further analysis of the data in order to fully determine.  Dr. Ferrari stated that from a school standpoint, the schedulers had more problems finding rotations this past fall than ever before.  He would suspect the reason for multiple requests was that the school was down to the wire on time to locate a rotation for these students. 

 

Rose McCluskey is trying to create some solutions for multiple entries, but this does not address the issue of consortiums being at capacity.  Coordinators on the call were asked if they were at capacity in July and August.  Malinda stated that her family medicine rotations were full and would not have been able to accept another student.  Carla Campbell, Coordinator for Southern Counties Consortium, stated she was at 90% capacity, but she also was dealing with a housing issue that made it hard to take more students.  It was decided that Rose and Jodie would ask Site Coordinators this question at their meeting on Tuesday, September 15, 2009. 

 

Rose and Jodie will also look at the data on denied rotations and their proximity to their campus, and if rotations that were then found for those students had them traveling away from the campus. 

 

Rose discussed some possible solutions to the multiple entries.

 

·         Allow a certain number of multiple rotation requests per student to be entered.

·         Site Coordinators can then either view the other rotations entered or would receive a notification that this student has multiple entries for that period with other consortia.  This way Coordinators can work together on rotations

 

 

One issue that was addressed was that Site Coordinators do not know what rotations will look like until April 2, and phone calls and emails inquiring about availability of a rotation from schools should be refrained. 

 

JoAnn Raines stated that the Marshall Academic year does not end until the end of June for 3rd year medical students, and traditionally we have had to request for May and June rotations early on once we had rotations codified.  The problem is that sometimes the requests waiting for approval/verification, creates panic when you are trying to codify their schedules. So, from a Marshall standpoint, the June requests are for this academic year not the following year.

 

Amy Holbrook informed the group that WVSOM is looking to change the 3rd year students to having the same academic year start time as that of the 4th year students, which would be July 5th.  They will also do two 4 week rotations instead of the 8 week block.  Rotations will expand out of family medicine allowing students to do 4 weeks of RHEP and then 4 weeks of a non-RHEP rotation.  It is possible that this will impact RHEP numbers, and it may open up family medicine rotations now for other schools. 

 

Carla Campbell said that we need to create a criteria and guidelines instead of viewing the top three choices. 

 

Jodie stated that she is not sure that all possibilities were exhausted for rotations.

 

 

 

 

Next Steps:

 

·         Rose will look at possible solutions to multiple request issues and discussed with the site coordinators.

 

·         Jodie will review data with Kathleen Bors on Charleston Division rotation denial problem. 

 

·         April will follow up with Site Coordinators on the April 1 deadline, and exceptions to that deadline

 

With no further business, the conference call was adjourned.